Thursday, June 08, 2006

Why I Hate San Francisco

Why I Hate San Francisco

My friend and San Francisco resident Ben Casnocha has challenged me to explain why I hate San Francisco, which he terms one of the world's great cities.

Listen Ben, San Francisco is one of the world's great cities. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Many of the criticisms I will level against dear old SF apply to many other cities. Just because I hate San Francisco doesn't mean I can't equally hate New York, Beijing, Manila, and many other cities around the globe.

Hey, there's plenty of hate to go around.

Top Reasons Why I Hate San Francisco:

1. NO LEFT TURNS

2. The lack of parking

3. The plentiful supply of homeless people

4. Hills, hills, hills--good for views, bad for safety

5. Frequent events/protests/parades/festivals that snarl up traffic for no good reason whatsoever

6. The atrociously cold weather

7. The nutball politicians who run the joint

8. The crappy public transportation system, which only seems functional in comparison to the even worse nightmares in other cities. Being the smartest retard ain't something to be proud of.

9. Every miserable night on the town I've ever spent in SF, which seem to devolve into a Sisyphean quest to find "the" right bar or nightclub

10. The smug, self-satisfied attitude of residents who are convinced that they live the greatest city in the world. It's the people who claim to love the environment, then commute to jobs in San Jose that really burn me up.

Flame away, SF residents!

UPDATE:
I finally found someone who hates San Francisco more than I. The "Why San Francisco Really Is That Bad" manifesto outlines in great detail why San Francisco is a terrible place for single ladies.

84 comments:

Ben Casnocha said...

I sent this post to a friend who responded saying you're homophobic ("Flame away SF residents"). I trust you were referencing the fire or something?

Chris said...

Once again, I reveal my age!

Back in the dark ages, shortly after we invented fire, but BG (before Google), there was something called "Usenet". On "Usenet," there were these things called "newsgroups" where primitive cave-dwellers could post messages to each other.

Many of these "newsgroups" came to be plagued by strident conflict, which the Australopithecines of the time termed "flamewars." To flame someone was to attack them personally, or worst of all, compare them to Hitler.

When I directed SF residents to "flame away," I was instructing them to "bring it on," though hopefully not in the same way that Iraqi insurgents have done so to George W. Bush.

Gay or straight, it's all the same to me, I'm still not going to visit that accursed city by the bay.

seamus said...

I knew what "flame" meant. Because I'm Gen-X. To Gen-Y, I guess "flame" is about as meaningful as "UHF" or "Side B."

I must respond.
1. No left turns -- Well, really you mean "No left turns off Geary, Market, and 19th Avenue." Everything else is pretty open. You learn to appreciate the time you're saving NOT sitting behind people waiting to turn left.
2. Agree.
3. Agree, although it's declining.
4. Hills are great.
5. Again with the driving complaint? You hate SF because it has lots of street fairs and parades?
6. Best weather on earth for walking up hills.
7. Agree.
8. Agree, although BART runs well and the MUNI rail system is average. Buses blow.
9. You need new friends.
10. Yes, the same thing I hate about New York.

Anonymous said...

San Francisco is the most absurdly overrated and crappy city in the United States bar none. I made the mistake of going to grad school there for 2 years and couldn't wait to leave. The best description of that city i've heard is "Denver by the bay", although it might have been evern more aptly described by one person who called it a "club med for 30 something yuppies".

That city blows. It's racist (how many non-whites reside in the wealthy parts of the city), boring as hell (half empty restaurants, a general feeling of lethargy), impossible to meet anyone when you go out because nobody socializes--either they're too stoned, have nothing to say, or both.

The thing that most gets me about it is the fake atmostphere of openness and tolerance about the place, underscored by brutal classism and segregation. revolution basically consists of smoking a bunch of weed, putting on a che guevara t shirt, and paying 150 a month for a yoga class that you drive your range rover too.

the other galling thing is that people there have the nerve to compare san francisco to NY. San Francisco is not even in the same league as New York, it would constitute maybe, say, a boring part of Queens like Fresh Meadows or Kew Gardens or something like that. People from San Fran look down on L.A. and N.Y. people, probably because people from those cities are open about their crass materialism while people from san fran fake like their a little bit above it. All from their 2000 a month digs, of course, but that's different.

Also, people in NY are just as open about things like being gay, leftist politics, etc. etc., they just dont need to interject it in your face at all hours or make themselves into 24 hour a day walking billboards of themselves. they live their lives and its enough. I went to a dinner party once--a DINNER PARTY--and there were two lesbian women making out the whole time as if they were teens in a movie theatre. Except they were forty something.

viva la revolucion.

SF is a joke, sorry.

Anonymous said...

All good reasons to hate san francisco, but here are just a couple more:

-Have the idiots that comprise a good portion of the population never taken public transportation before? What else could possibly explain the number of dopes who hang out in the doorway of an uncrowded MUNI train...when their stop isn't next? You have to squeeze past these lumps to whack your knee against the bar to open the dooors and navigate your way down the steps and they still don't get it.

-another of my favorite MUNI scenarios is the person who is seated on the aisle with an empty window seat next to them and they won't move over. no, climb over me, biatch, if you want that seat, i'm not moving my righteous ass.

What is wrong with people in this city? I cannot wait until my work contract is over in two months and i can get the hell out of this backwater piece of shit town.

Anonymous said...

I just googled "i hate san francisco", I'm glad there are people who agree with me. Sometimes I feel so alone. "Why," they ask, "do you hate San Francisco? It's so much fun!!" Wha?? How?? Why??
Sometimes I think this place is a mean prank. You pay a ridiculous amount of your hard earned money just to live in a cramped apartment, plus paying for parking tickets, and expensive drinks and food. Any way you try to get around, it sucks: driving, you got traffic, assholes, and no left turns; MUNI, it takes forever, some bum always wants to chat, and what is that smell?; biking, if you don't mind the hills, you'll get hit by a taxi; all suck in equal measures here. Then if you're lucky enough to find a parking space, your poor car gets bashed, dinged, bumped, and broken into.
I don't get it. Why do I pay such a premium for all this aggravation?? It will be a happy day when I move away from this hellhole.

Chris said...

This post is the gift that keeps on giving. Down with the 415!

Anonymous said...

Just googled the words myself and lo and behold, this page! I actually live in SF and like my inexpensive, but somehow pretty nice small apartment, but I agree with 99.9% of the things people said--especially the complaints about selfish/oblivious MUNI riders. I am not originally from CA, so I am already harder to convince and as much as i loved my academic experience at Berkeley several years ago, the rest left much to be wanted. After a few years away, I'm back again, having dragged my feet a bit. Glad to know i am not totally crazy to have such feelings and to sort of wish I lived somewhere else!

Anonymous said...

I agree with all the points above. SF residents continually brag about living in the "most beautiful city." Well, it is a nice looking city, but that is only one of the few positive attributes.

The people are cold and unattractive. A Southern Californian looks like Ken or Barbie compared to these goons.

Politics are way too liberal. They are too much of pansies to get rid of homelessness.

The city cares way too much about diversity. Instead of nominating another street for the Chinatown District, they could be cleaning up the streets.

It thinks it's the best based on the fact that it's better than L.A. (lol, sad)

fork said...

damn, i'm addicted to these bb's and blogs. i just moved to sf from florida, yes florida, and i'm ready to go back to that twilight zone hurricane-infested sweatbox swamp. thought i was insane for not falling in love with this place and tried to for the past couple months. sorry FRISCO (jesus, at least have an inkling of a sense of humor), it's not me, it's you.

city's beautiful, no doubt. but the people? people are so cramped and insular. no substance behind the surface. smarmy and smug. i was sold a bill of goods to convince me to come out and i feel ripped off.

i can sense there was something magic here sometime ago, but i can also feel that something was extinguished with extreme prejudice at some point.

and i'm a lefty ex-skater web designer weed smoker. this is supposed to be IT, pardon the pun.

a lot of the complaints are dead-on. one thing that hasn't been mentioned, though is these a-holes only honk their horns one way. loud long and obnoxious. no little wake up tap. no 2 second get that person's attention. just full on noise pollution straight up your ass cuz the pizza guy is trying to do the job he's paid to.

and for all the looking out for the little guy, minorities, weirdos. why can't anyone be seen in a pair of jeans that cost under $200?

good luck all you self congratulatory hacks. i'm gonna do as recommended and get the hell out soon as this project dries up. it's definitely "A City", not "The City."

Anonymous said...

Just Googled the words and here you are! Glad to hear I'm not the only one. I've been here 4 years and am counting down the days until I get to leave. I'm from Southern California and was on the verge of moving back when I met my husband, and stayed... the things you do for love.

People always ask me why I want to leave and my usual answer is because of the weather - the four seasons here are (1) just plain cold (2) cold and rainy (3) cold and foggy and (4) cold and windy. As a so-cal girl, this is HELL!!!! In four years I think I've been warm twice - the rest of the time I'm walking around in my overcoat with wool socks on and sleeping with a hot water bottle. Anyway, I guess my only real point is that I hate it here and just wanted to share in everyone's misery :)

Anonymous said...

i had written under anonymous, ask for me to type in there word I did but didn't post??

Anonymous said...

Hi!

You are far from being alone in your hate to San Francisco. One of the most hilarious postings about this subject that I have ever read is this one,

http://www.welikesheep.com/archives/2004/08/why_i_hate_san.html

See this excerpt,

"Norm Macdonald, on SNL, said it best in this 5/17/1997 Weekend Update: "In San Francisco last week, a birthday party for one of the area's leading political figures, attended by the city's Mayor, Sheriff, and members of the board of supervisors, culminated with a performance in which a dominatrix used a razor blade to carve a satanic star into the back of her male partner, then urinated on him, before finally sodomizing the man with a liquor bottle. After learning of the incident from press reports, San Franciscans expressed shock and outrage that the liquor bottle was not recycled.""

I also profess my disdain for such piece of crap (SF). I live happily to the South of it (silicon valley). In my almost 7 years here, I have only been to SF for mandatory stuff (business/bureaucratic reasons).

Every time that I have to go there is a hell of an experience.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you.

I have lived here almost 7 years now, and I am ready to move on. It is difficult to stand now. There are no old people here, no children and no families, and too many dogs (dog crap everywhere - no joke). And contrary to what so many people here think and say, this place is VERY segregated. The cost of living now is so completely unjustified. It's stupid. Living here is treated as if it's some kind of privilege. Privilege? WTF? And the people do very much suck here.

Yeah, I have my group of friends, and I do know some nice folks around the neighborhood, but in general, could the residents here be any more stuck up their own asses? I swear, it's utterly pathetic. Everywhere you turn it's a [passive] pissing contest to see who is hipper, who's more successful, who's moreso culturally experienced, who's moreso informed and hooked-up, who's more hardcore and urban, etc. Everyone "doesn't have the time" to consider their attitudes and the space they share with their neighbors. This place is nothing but a big stupid camp / playground for "young"/"active" single people who have no responsibilities and no sense of mind to save their money and question the countless things that contribute to the grotesquely inflated cost of living here. Selfish, jaded and passive-aggressive; the people here suck.

Oh, and one more thing that totally kills me about this place? The god-awful mainstream gay element. I am gay. Sure. Great. Big deal. I don't necessarily hide it, but I also don't really give any thought to it either. But, Jesus f*ckin' christ, how about a little class? Dore Alley? Folsom Street Fair? Castro Street Fair? Haloween? Fun is fun, sure, but the bad-taste and tacky, indecent behavior every time there is a party on the street? Show some respect for your neighbors. Jerks. No, not everyone wants to see you in assless chaps, or to see you pull out your boyfriend's dick on the street to fondle it. Just because you are confident enough to behave like that on the public streets doesn't mean that you should behave like that. And furthermore, behaving like that doesn't make you mature or an "adult".

Sorry San Francisco. Grow up and get a little class.

Anonymous said...

yeah-the fact that every public event quickly devolves into cliche exhibitionism (the crime is not that its outlandish but that its so trite and never original) really gets annoying. Its really childish, or better said, very adolescent. You'd think they'd get over that after a while.

Whoever made that point about MUNI is right too-I couldn't believe how difficult it was for some people to use the public transportation system, like they couldn't figure out that if you stand in the doorway other people can't get on. People in that city have a unique way of having their heads up their asses. Not to mention the fact that the public trans. sucking is one of the major reasons why that city falls far short of its self proclaimed greatness. Its more of a suburb posing as a city.

Anonymous said...

Just have to say, I loved the weather in SF, and its the only thing I miss about the place...While I was there I have relatively inexpensive rent (though I admit I was living in the living room of a basement apartment) though the hundreds of parking tickets I got made me broke all the time...not to mention all the communists...San Jose is a much better city if you like the bayrea...

Matthew said...

I'm not sure I get the 'Denver-by-the-bay' comparison...I used to live in SF and now in Denver, and other than all the CA transplants (most are from socal anyway) I don't see it...

Anonymous said...

As some philosophers say, the opposite of love and hate is indifference...love and hate being the same. You all must like San Fran a bit, else you wouldn't even be thinking about it, much less googling 'I hate San Francisco'.

d said...

I just moved to San Francisco from Los angeles, and i must say i fucking hate living here. It's small, cramped, and cold. There's not much to do other than go to bars or shop, its very boring for a 'city', i mean i lived in the depths of suburbia beofre i came here and it was way more fun, go figure. There are somethings i like, but over all i regret moving here. I'm counting the days untill i get to move back to LA.

Anonymous said...

i've lived in both SF and LA, and i just have to say LA wins hands down. SF is a waste of money (whether you're rich or not) with nothing to back up the reasons for its costs, whereas LA offers tons of energy, fun, nightlife, great weather, and entertainment for its relative cost (and is a truly international city). Flat out...SF is boring/expensive/filthy/rude, LA ain't perfect, but it's so much more alive/vibrant/alluring of a city to live in.

Grant said...

I love San Francisco! I'm sorry to see so many folks here down on it. Perhaps my expereince is unusual. I've lived in SF for 20 years (arriving straight out of college) and it still excites me to be here. I've made great, life-long friends. The weather suits me fine (not a super hot weather person). The food is great. The parks and views from all the hills are beautiful. I could go on and on... Sure, there are some downsides: The homeless problem that refuses to get solved, the abhorrent public transportation system, and (the one no one else has mentioned yet) the lame excuse for a music scene... But every city has its cons, right? True, the politics can be overly righteous (even misguided) at times, but I'd rather that than the stifling conservatism and provinciality I left behind... I would never claim San Francisco to be "the best city in the world" or whatever, but it's served me real well. No regrets.

Dave said...

San Francisco Super Sucks...I've been to nearly every state and every major city in the US, and for some reason...SF just ain't right. Attitude is at the forefront of the bad...never have I seen such superficial, self rightous,critical, opinionated and arrogant an attitude by a general population than I had in SF. Weather sucks, spring, summer, fall and winter...parking sucks...all seasons too...cultural garbage...hippy wanna be's...tree hugging pretenders...all natural tofu granola crunching yoga nuts...snobbish look at you funny cause you had the audacity to actually give someone a pleasnt greeting when crossing their path pretenders...yes the homeless are obnoxious...especially they younger 20 something ones who are actually just too f*#king lazy to work trust fund brats...next time you see one take them by the hand and walk them to one of the many shops that has a "Help Wanted" sign in the window...it's really funny to watch them spontaneously burst into flames right there on the sidewalk...which also will give you about 3 seconds of actual warmth in the air...a rarity.

SSF said...

eww and you think San Jose is better? What a joke! San Jose is just as bad but the people are even more materialistic and fake.

Brian said...

hell yes.

Anonymous said...

even though this was posted a yr ago i'm glad to see that there are others. i hate the many homeless ppl of this place, how ppl in SF are so accepting of homelessness as a "cool" lifestyle choice, the false sense of inclusiveness when i see so much blatant classism, the lack of diversity (many asians and latinos but barely any black ppl), the in-your-face politicism, the general sense of unambitiousness, and the list goes on. i can't wait until my lease is up so that i can leave!

a said...

I googled "I hate San Francisco" and came up with 2550 pages. Yours was at the top of the list. I love a few really great things about the area: the hills, the weather, and the outdoors - Lake Tahoe, mountain biking.

I also loved the city when I first moved here (because I was still a tourist), but it got worse over time, not better. I have lived in San Francisco for two years now, and I hate it more than I ever did. Don’t get me wrong - I love the city and the bay area, but the people really suck here. I have never met so many cold, distant, unfriendly, rude, selfish, stuck up people in one place! The east bay is a little better, but not much.

I have never felt more strongly about something in my life. San Francisco is extremely clicky. It could take 2 years to get on the inside of a click because people are so distant and self preserving and guarded. Everyone has their forcefield up and it is designed to keep you out, along with everyone else they don’t know. My advice would be not to bother. Just cut your losses and leave now before you get bitter about the people here.

Oh..and many people here are from bigger unfriendlier places, and thats why they like it. The rest of us have been here less than 2 years and will leave soon.

By the way, in case you didn’t already know - San Francisco is a more expensive place to live than New York City. The highest cost of living in the country.

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Anonymous said...

I live in SF and admit to liking it. I don't claim it to be the world's greatest city, but it suits me very well for what I like in life. It is certainly not a city without problems.

First, this is why I like SF:
1.Fresh locally grown food all year round that is better than most areas of the world.
2.Abilty to do outdoor biking, kayaking, sports, etc. most almost all year round.
3. The best wine country in the USA within an hour's drive away.
4. Great dining opportunities.
5. One of the best cities for technology based industry opportuniies, which is my line of work.
6. Healthy habits and lack of junk food chains in the good neighborhoods. High quality, but also at a higher cost, but not unreasonable costs at least for me.
7. Relatively fresh air blowing in from the Pacific creating alot of fresh air to breath relative to other big cities.

Now, there are lots of things that are not good about SF, but this is shared by many other big cities. This includes homeless people and depressed areas. No left turns are very annoying on Market street, but these no left turns are meant to be a safety precaution for the the pedestrian rich parts of town and is pretty limited to the touresty and financial areas, not the residential parts of the city.

It is also true that there are alot of young people around, but the technology industry is hiring mostly young, fresh out of college kids and paying very good money to them. Hence, the industry dictates the people moving in and the affluence of the city. It is a rich city, something that I understand people can hate.

The city has lots of hills that younger people like to climb, but which older people have a harder time with. But I do see older people around and they tend to be in good health and in great shape.

The hilly parts of the city would not be suitable for disabled people, but there are alot flat areas where older and disabled areas can live.

There does seem to be alot of all white neighborhoods, love it or hate it. These areas tend to be yuppy rich places filled with frat like bars. There are some areas that are sqeaky clean and perfect yuppies, and then there are the funky areas filled with people with tattoos and funky clothes, etc. However, you can find very ethnically mixed neighborhoods in the richmond district and in the Mission, where you find asian, european, indian, blacks, hispanic, etc. all livig together. I was greeted very nicely by an asian hairstylist here and treated me as an equal to the rest of the people there.

SF is historically one of the most active pro-equal rights cities in the USA. The gay scene is mostly concentrated in the Castro, which I never visit, not because I am homophobic, but because I am not gay. I here it is a great place to visit though.

As far as public transportation, I mostly don't use it. But for when I do use it, it works for me, and you can pretty much transer to any bus for $1.50 and come back home on the same bus for this one time fee. Also, most buses are electric so they don't make noise and do not pollute the air. Maybe I cannot complain because I live in an area where bus lines are plentyful (everyother block) and go to all the major parts of the city and run every 15 minutes, so I can't complain.

As far as the passive aggresive nature of people, I don't see it yet, but I have a couple of east coast friends who mentioned it. But then again, I try not to piss people off too much, so I did not have much opportunity to see this. Should I try to piss people off to test this? I have heard a couple of F.U.'s and seen waving arms when I made a couple of driving errors.

Anyway, my last point is that I have alot more good things to say about SF than bad things, but I will stop here, much which is not mentioned here.

Anonymous said...

I curse this city each day. Things that bother me:

* The weather just all around sucks. It's either cold/foggy or warm with no breeze, and it can be both of those things in the same day, so forget about wearing shorts/sandals all day.

* Incompetence. From the District Attorney, Board of Supervisors, down to the person who makes your sandwich for lunch, I just notice way too much incompetence. It's like people just don't care how well of a job that they do, they just want the money.

* The People. I've never met more shallow, fake, selfish, boring, cold, insular, smug, flaky, passive-aggressive, not in my backyard people in my life. It is like they never learned how to socially interact with others, so they have all of these strange facades that they project to make people think that they are hip/cool/whatever. Additionally, everyone here acts like no one else exists so they have no empathy for others and just do what they want. People are also extremely nosy and judgmental in all groups (gay, straight, asian, white, etc.) I think that it is the cultural climate of the city that turns people to act this way. I know, since I've started to act that way myself to insulate me from the rest of the population.

* Skewed cost of living. I know the city is small, but the cost of living here is out of hand. That being said, I'd rather live here than live in London.

That being said, there are some things I like:

* Access to fresh locally grown food/wine. This results in some good dishes from restaurants as well as good ingredients for your own dishes.

* Good variety of climates. The SF weather is unique, but go to Walnut Creek and the weather climate is completely different (+30 degrees).

* Access to parks/outdoors easily. From the city to the great outdoor parks is very accessible.

ben forshay said...

I hate San Francisco. I can't wait to leave.

Anonymous said...

I HATE GAYS AND SAN FRANCISCO AND ITS MAYOR TO ALLOWING EVERY THING TO THESE SAME SHITS....

Anonymous said...

The horrible crappy weather is making the reports from my mother that Jersey is hot and humid sort of alluring. Why do people here love foggy cold windy weather? I feel like nice days are so few and far between I make my toddler stay out out all day with me to soak it up while he can. I remember warm rainy days, thunderstorms, heatwaves, snowstorms, ice storms... and I am not fucking kidding, it makes me tear up! Boring weather makes for boring people and a boring life. That's probably why I see people constantly fucking jogging, running and cycling by my house,a temporary high from exercise is probably what gets them through the day and a fucking simulated sun lamp.

Jeff Nolan said...

ROFL. Down with the 415 Chris! There's a lot to like about the City by the Bay but one just has to put up with so much crap that it's easy to look past the good things.

#11 - a monumentally bad public school system coupled with an antiquated race policy that breaks down neighborhoods by busing kids all over the city.

#12 - Gavin Newsom, nuff said.

#13 - Willie Brown, at least he's not as bad as Newsom.

#14 - an obsession with shitty dirty parts of town that are "cool and hip". Exhibit A, the Mission.

#15 - million dollar condos on 6th street with barb wire protected parking lots!

#16 - If they were to remake the television series it would be called The Massively Pothole Ridden Streets of San Francisco

#17 - Local media personalities that believe their own crap, e.g. Ross McGowan.

#18 - The state's worst urban crime closure rate and a District Attorney who is an embarrassment for letting cop killers and gangbangers off the hook for capital crimes.

#19 - The persistent efforts to obstruct any interesting architecture that did not originate in the late 19th century.

#20 - Nancy Pelosi

Anonymous said...

Don't forget:

* Chris Daly
* The masses of aging single Gen X'ers that rank about 6-7 who are only willing to date 10's
* The Stanford Mob
* SF: Where parking is a business model
* Zero above-average, good regular food restaurants. It's either French Laundry or crappy chinese food
* China-town smells
* Evil trust-fund landlords
* Critical Mass
* Finding a decent seat at Stern's Grove concerts
* GG Bridge Toll
* Any bridge traffic
* Incessant wind
* Bone-biting fog
* City Bureaucrats
* BART loses $100MM a year, taxpayer funded
* Caltrains and Bart aren't linked
There's lots to hate about SF unfortunately...

Todd said...

Too late to respond to this? This is the best article I've read in ages.

I live in SF and cannot wait to get out of here. My wife and I head down to San Jose at every opportunity ... it's nice to be in a friendly, safe, clean, and quality of life environment-- even if for a few hours.

SF is a second-rate cesspool. And it gets worse by the day. I cannot imagine why any tourist visits a second time-- do they?

Anonymous said...

Don't have much to vent on the 415 but I hate Charlotte, NC! Too many frickin lawyers, bankers and accountants. I see that kind of deal lawyer density in a town and all I can think of is "where is the world's biggest can of Raid?"

Now back to bashin' on the Bay.

Tom D said...

As a bay area NATIVE (most people who live here now apparently are from "Omaha" or some other shit), I am now proud to be from the Menlo Park/ Atherton area (south of SF). It is sunny and beautiful here, and yes it is somewhat homogenous, but it is kind of like living in a nice southern town.
The "City" of SF, however, is disgusting (parts are physically pretty, yes) and dirty. There are so many homeless crackheads because mayors like Giuliani sent them over here years ago. People are- well downright MEAN and cold and usually NOT from here!
If you are not from here, it does NOT give you the right to act like you own the place. I remember when it was MUCH cleaner, freer and had some good art, theatre and culture goin on. Now it is a cesspool of vagrants and FREAKS.
It is overpriced and not fun.
Oh yeah, I live in Chicago and New York now and while no city is perfect, at least these cities have culture, interesting people and clean streets.

Peace.

P-TOWN said...

"I LOVE, TO HATE SAN FRANCISCO."
This place should crumble into the Pacific...GRRRRR. Happy to see I'm not alone...

Anonymous said...

I went to college there (SF State) and was verbally attacked by radicals during my last month there. The funny thing is I am not Republican, I am just not a radical and obviously don't like radical beliefs being shoved down my throat.

Once they caught wind of this they came down hard on everything about me. It was like going back to High School and having to deal with hundreds of bullies. I'm not perfect and I wasn't a perfect student, but I didn't deserve to be treated like a complete outcast and ripped apart verbally/passive aggressively. It showed me to a painful degree how groupthink works - seriously crazy.

I feel bad for these San Franciscans that hide their hatred and intolerance behind the guise of tolerance and love for everyone. It is a crock of shit, there is no euphemism for it. A lot of people move to San Francisco just to say they are better than everyone else. I would say the opposite, if you move to San Francisco it will probably make you smug and lacking in creativity, just like the majority of the people there.

Anonymous said...

After almost nine years in San Francisco, I am finally leaving. Because I finally found a job I like (and a nice person to share my life with...took nine years to find both the job and the guy) I am remaining in the Bay Area. So long to "the city" (you'd think it was the only city in the country) and hello to a place where I hope the people give a damn about other people.

Like others on this posting, I did manage to gain a small circle of friends. Miraculous considering most people in this town have their ears plugged into an iPod and their eyes glued to a Blackberry. Completely tuned out to the rest of the world, like they care.

I'd invite Gavin Newsom to take a break from supporting the lifestyle of his new trophy bride and actually walk the streets that don't make up Pacific Heights. EVERY DAY I am panhandled. EVERY DAY I smell human piss and shit on my walk to work. EVERY DAY someone shakes a cup in my face. Remember the South Park episode? "Change? You got change?" Yeah, I get change from the building I go to everyday in order to make a living.

The worst "homeless" people here are the "professor" types who make a few yuppie friends (mostly in SOMA where you can live AND work, wowwww) in order to engage them in conversation about how unfair life is. If newspapers would replace the work "homeless" with "public urinators", "drug abusers", or (my personal experience) "crazed man who throws bottles at your head", the self righteous advocates would disband and do something useful for a "change". Instead they advocate homelessness but I seriously doubt any of them live where other people shit.

I can confirm that people here think they're smarter than they are. They certainly aren't grown-ups. Mum and daddums keep their trust fund filled so their little urban prodigy can search endlessly for the perfect career in "project management", "fashion merchandising" or simply "contract" work and telecommute from ridiculously overpriced apartments (that Mum and daddums of course pay for). Thank you, assholes, for keeping the rents high.

Make no mistake, there is no middle-class here. Just the wealthy to keep restaurants like Aqua buzzing and the very poor to keep their water dishes and bread baskets filled.

I could say more, but why bother expending energy on a city that has bled me dry. I moved out here on my own and have nothing to show for it at the end. This city hates you if you're just normal. It is not liberal. The liberals I know have three cars and second homes. The liberals I know serve you coffee with major attitude. The liberals I know talk endlessly about the real estate market. The liberals I know turn everything affordable into nothing attainable. The most self-righteous either moved here 20 years ago and forget that they were able to "get in" the market (real estate or rental) or reaped the ridiculous benefits of having been the CEO of Kozmo.com and getting out before it went belly up.

If you are even thinking about moving here, check out this website first. You'll be fairly, and realistically warned.

Anonymous said...

Here's an idea.

If you don't like it....leave. Go to L.A. Lord knows you'll fit right in. (I mean really...to criticize an entire city for being smug....BY BEING SMUG and overly-righteous? Are you serious?)

TA-DA!
Problem solved, you're where you want to be...we're where we want to be, and we don't have a slew of whiners mussing up the views.

JAW said...

I love San Fran. .i love all the small mom and pop stores, the cozy neighborhoods, the mix of people, the urban vibe mixed with the easy access to huge wide open spaces, the variety in climate (cool and foggy by the beach, hot and sunny inland), the bike friendliness, crissy field, golden gate park, delores park, ocean beach, baker beach, golden gate bridge. all the bars, the architecture, The F-line, the cable cars. The list goes on and on. Sure it's not perfect (homeless, MUNI issues), but if you like a vibrant city mixed with endless outdoor options, San Fran is where it's at. And the rest of the Bay Area has some great aspects too.

Anonymous said...

San Francisco sucks ... crappy weather , nasty people , bad areas for homes , homeless people , smelly and dirty environment , crazy , radical politics , overprotection of " minorities " to the point of obssession and glued to " diversity " when these are one of the worst scumbads I have ever seen ( where's the morality ? Absolutism ? Integrity ? Honesty ? Work ? Truth ? Loyalty ? Compassion ? ) ... families are long gone ( and for good reason ) and so are the elderly ... only the hedonistic youth is there ( and for your information I am a young female myself but then again I'm a Christian and a virgin so go figure ... ) ... too much talk about homosexuals that I throw up ... for heaven's sake they are only 1 % to 2 % of the worldwide population and per country ( and to add that I am conservative but not the ultra orthodox ... just the traditional conservative ... it simply pisses me off to no end their talk of them are if they are God or something ... sheesh ) ... then there is the " race " mantra ... I myself am mixed and was born of a black father and a latin/white mother but shut up ... I'm tired of " race , race , race " ... stop being so " controversial " and actually do something with your life ... actually stop dwelling on race and start seeing people as human beings as you say ... afterwards another minority which are immigrants or foreigners ( I'm foreign but thank goodness that I am only staying here for one more year ) ... I dislike the yoga , hippie and vegetarian/vegan ... restaurants don't do it for me ... few activities to produce or do ... not enough games or entertainment ... then all those atheist , agnostic or deist whackjobs and their hatred of religion ... " Religion is evil ! " ... for Pete's sake religion is not going to bite your butt off ... San Francisco sucks and that's a fact ... I'm going to live in another country which is not the USA but seriously if I was to live here then either Houston , New York or Los Angeles ... San Francisco is overrated

Anonymous said...

" Ben Casnocha said...
I sent this post to a friend who responded saying you're homophobic ("Flame away SF residents"). I trust you were referencing the fire or something? "

And what's the problem??? There is good reason for people to be homophobic in San Francisco (I wear the "homophobic" badge with pride ^_^ honeys!)...homosexuals in San Francisco(and worldwide!!!)are "in your face" AAALLLLL of the time!!!They LOVE to parade and display their pervesion!!! And they whine endlessly like little children with their "victim" mentality!!! And their twisted "gay rights" !!!

More like "gay dominance"...

Scratch that "HOMOSEXUAL dominance"!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Narcissists I tell you!!!

Overall I personally think that ALL San Francisco residents are insane!(whether homosexual,bissexual or heterosexual since they are all very perveted!) but that "homophobia" is quite good ( :

Healthy and natural

And people should not be ashamed!!!
After all homosexuals don't know much morality!!!

Well they know SOME(like the homosexuals I have met)but are in SERIOUS delusions!!!

Examples of their "rule":LOOK AT ARMSTEDAM,SWEDEN and SAN FRANCISCO!

Oh and if you are a very religious person then you should know that homosexuals tried to do a "Gay Parade" in JERUSALEM!!!

O_0

Where more than 85 % are very RELIGIOUS!!!!

Last but not least
FLAME WAY SF RESIDENTS!!!!

Anonymous said...

I hate San Francisco

Anonymous said...

Funny how akk you homophones who are "not ashamed" are "Anonymous" cowards.

Anonymous said...

I'm gay, live (and was raised in) LA. My last visit until last week was in 1997. SF sucks as badly a I remembered...had a fat guy tell me a minute into meeting me how much better SF was than LA...yawn. Had a table of guys tell me the same thing in '97. Why are San Franciscans so hell bent on telling people from LA how much it sucks and how great SF is? It's pretty to look at but a pain in the ass to navigate and filled with smug, unattractive (and fat) people...and it's tiny...oh yeah and the weather sucks. If it hadn't been for an obligatory visit to my next dr. neighbor (whose primary residence is in SF) I could have easily never returned after my last trip 12 years ago...

Anonymous said...

" Funny how akk you homophones who are "not ashamed" are "Anonymous" cowards. "

Well well well ...
Aren't you a contradiction in terms ?
You are Anonymous too !

The reason some here are Anonymous is because they don't have accounts ( duh ! ) ... think clearly before you start cheering " homophobia " lol ... which is another thing which I hate about San Francisco among food , weater , transportation and of course people ... you guys treat gays as if they are God or something ... lol

Weather , food , transportion and people in San Francisco all suck ... I hate them all ! Fall of a ditch or something lol

Explorer said...

Wow, its fun to see the San Francisco envy around here. There is a reason San Francisco always ends up on the “the most beautiful cities” lists and LA is never to be found. But, I suppose the bile spewed by the LA crowd around here prefers the superficial, pretty, peroxide blond bois you’ll find in LA to an area with character and depth. Personally, I’d rather meet a real San Francisco man than the shallow LA bois that are around this thread.

Anonymous said...

I find it amazing how many idiots automatically look to LA as the alternative to SF, as if there is NOWHERE else to live on Earth. God I hate it here! I've lived all over the country and in a few foreign ones... this place is awful! Can't wait to leave. I don't regret anything in my life more than moving here.

iabhornc said...

In response to many people's comments (especially that person who said what they said about Charlotte). I live in North Carolina and I hate this place with a passion. I can't wait to move to L.A. North Carolina is so much like San Fran (although extremely snotty with uppity, mental case fucktards roaming around everywhere). San Fran is too much like Chapel Hell, N(auseating) C(owards) (a college town out of hell). If you don't fit in down here, you are lucky. I couldn't imagine why some freak would want to befriend a PUTRID CAROLINA FUCK!

I have been to San Fran. IMO, it's an okay place to visit, but to live in I would pass (for all the reasons you've mentioned). Not only that, but compared to L.A. it sucks ass. Northern Californians have an attitude very similar to these EAST COAST FUCKS. Also, a bunch of Cali fools LOVE moving to NC, and the ones who come here are assholes. After going to L.A., I was completely blown away. I don't understand why those lame No Cal morons hate So Cal so much. I actually thought So Cal (except San Fuckdiego) was actually pretty cool. In fact, California was about the only state on the west coast I thought was all that. Fuck Washington (especially those nauseating old farts in Seattle who can choke to death on their Starbucks) and those fucktards in Oregon. What a weird name for a state. Oregon almost sounds like ''oregano'' LOL! Those Oregon fools are only one of two states (next to New Jersey) where you can't pump your own fuel, and I think that's fucking rediculous. Those Oregonian fucks think that's the shit, but I DISAGREE. Just my opinions. I hope someone takes offense on this :-)
North Carolina... Don't move here. This place (like the entire South it's in) is (like) a 3rd world cesspool. These SOUTHERN STATE MOTHERFUCKERS actually think this place is great. I can't believe just how STUPID these CAROLINA FUCKS really are :-) Later!

Anonymous said...

I from NYC but go to college in San Fran and I agree it is a shithole. Homeless people taking a shit in the middle of the street, people prefer to be smug and passive as opposed to putting it out there but think you are rude if you are straight talker like east coast people, i have lived everywhere and came here thinking it would be a liberal haven but honestly one of the most racist classist places I have lived, everyone is very shallow and clicky, things here it seem were designed not to make any sense, all the one way roads, the bart which is slow as fuck and only stops in the main parts of neighborhoods so u are left to use the shitty and unreliable muni buses to try and get to your destination, everything closes down early and there are walgreens and starbucks everywhere but only 1 out of 50 with a 3 block radius will be open past 5 pm, the tenderloin is like Tiajuana definitely 3rd world people blowing crack smoke in ur face if you walk through there at night, people dont know how to walk down the street and get out of your way if they see u coming, people dont move on the bart so u can sit down or they will stand in the worst possible place like in front of the door or in the main neck of the aisle, people will straight up just stare at u like you are a sculpture, the bart has seats that face each other very close so u can be forced to sit across from a complete stranger like you are having dinner with the person, theres so many gays and the problem is that like it becomes like you cant say faggot or gay at all or people look at you like you just killed someone, very fake and ridiculous here I cant wait to graduate and move out of this place.

Flu-Bird said...

I once vitsited SAN FRANSICO but never ever again its a blight on america where its black pig citzens are celebration a dead cop killer the whole place needs to be boycotted and i mean ever its sport teams hit them where it hurts the bank accounts and their rourists trade

Anonymous said...

San Francisco ain't a nice place for a heterosexual woman to date ( or man since so many heterosexual women here try to be butch and not take care of their appearances and be psychotic bitches with no femininity ... many here are gender feminists ) ... much less a feminine one like me

I hate the fact that San Francisco is so freaking gay centered ( particulary gay male centered ) ... it's so hard for a heterosexual woman like me to break through especially with them gay people spread around all over the freaking city ( all of the gays I have ever met in my lifetime were all in San Francisco ) and those numerous " mixed bars " ( I mean how can I know if a man is gay or heterosexual ????? ) and stupid stupid " gay nights "

All that crappy left wing politics piss me off as hell

I want to find a good , nice and loving man here but the " diversity " here is starting to seriously put me out

It's all about those freaking gays ... what about us heterosexual women ? Nobody cares about us

It's official I hate San Francisco

- I hate the gay centerism and " diversity " focus
- I hate the fact that nobody highlights on heterosexual women ( I feel like we are in the minority here )
- I hate the fact that they put down feminine women
- I hate the fact that gay males are given so much attention and that lesbians or bissexuals are left out
- I hate " mixed " bars ( not a good place to find a man )
- I hate gay nights
- I hate the fact that so many heterosexual males here are metrosexual ... I HATE metrosexual males ... I love masculine men ... it's hard to find them here

I'm moving to Europe ( or any other place that isn't USA ... San Francisco has a 20 % LGBT ... how sad ... I've noticed that in South America , Asia , Africa , Europe and Russia heterosexuals are 95 % ... which is quite nice and great ) ... most likely the Meditteranean ( I'm looking at the apartments in various countries there and trying to pick a country too ... Spain , Italy or Greece ? ) and since there are a lot of masculine men there I will feel at home ... and it's not so hideously gay centered and I can be in love

Signed the frustated heterosexual woman

Anonymous said...

I have lived here for over 5 years and I've spent the last 4 years trying to figure out how to get back to the East coast.

I miss the seasons so much. I miss thundershowers, warm rain in the summer, seeing snow fall out my window, walking around at night in shorts, the beautiful colors of autumn and the riot of colors of spring.

I spent my first 4th of July in SF on my roof deck. I was wearing my ski jacket, ski gloves, and a hat trying to watch the fireworks through the fog. I looked at my neighbor and said this is not 4th of July weather.

The thing that makes me want to leave the most is the unusually high number of homeless and crazy people. One cannot throw a stick and not hit one in this city. I've lived in NY and DC and didn't experience this many down and out people. Why isn't the city doing something about them?

My last thought is that if the city doesn't do something about these problems, people will be leaving to other places where they feel they get more value for their money.

Anonymous said...

Oh wow!

Ok... where do I start!

First, I want to thank everybody for sharing their views. I'm sorry for those that have had bad experiences here that led to their hating SF, but I can relate.

My mom (God bless her) dragged me here from Denver when I was 9. Looking back on it, I knew I hated this place the first time I set foot in it (please be aware that at that point in my life I was a very unusual 9 year old because I was dragged around the freakin world--in other words, at 9 I traveled to more places world/nationwide than most adults--and the feeling I got when I first set foot in Frisco was a bad one--one that I never felt anywhere else--not even close). Anyway, the years past, and as I grew older, I began to understand--or intellectualize--the "gut feelings" I had when I first arrived.
The obvious, obvious, obvious--OBVIOUS BS:
Dirty, decrepit, urine filled, stinky, potholed, dog shitted streets. Numero UNO! Frisco is dirty and disgusting.
I have been to third world countries where the streets were much worse--however! I did see a stark difference in attitudes: the people in these third world countries actually cared about their streets. That is, people swept what they could, took care of their properties, or helped their neighbors in tending to theirs--oh, and don't think that they don't petition their officials with out of hand riots to fix their streets... but people in Frisco, I’m sorry, don't care.
Ever try driving in Frisco? OMFG! How many potholes can you have? Does anyone care? Seems like they are oblivious to it! I hate it every time just as much as the first. I remember when I was in San Diego and the citizens there were in an uproar over three--that is: 3! AS IN 3!!! sprinklers that kept on after--a very rare--light rain fell on and off throughout the day (it was barely anything). SO MUCH SO! That the shit was on the news! Moreover, the problem was addressed that day, and the city vowed to vigilantly monitor sprinklers, and took a holocaust like approach of: "never again…." I was like "WOW!" And who could blame me!?!
I am from Frisco, where people don't care about their streets enough to really do shit about it (where people literally shit on the street, or let their dogs do it without cleaning it up). On top of that, there's no sense of community. My mom (poor mom) lives in a building where after 12 years her neighbors are... well... strangers. This might sound hard to understand, but for this reason I actually liked living on W. / 24th St. in West Oakland (have you ever seen that block? If you ever get curious go there in the day with an OPD escort—I’m dead serious! It is NOT safe). Anyway, despite the gunshots I always heard at night, people there were, ironically, more real! They had a better sense of community then the shitty avenues, where I once lived. I remember on memorial day people invited me to their back yards for BBQ, and some, I found out later, didn’t even know I lived down the block.
And that brings me to the people in SF... here's where I truly can go on forever--and ever--and ever--and ever. Yet, it really boils down to this: rude.
People in SF are so rude. And I hate to say it, but if you have been to Frisco and have experienced the kind of behavior I have, and you have the gull to look me straight in the face and tell me people here are nice—or even not bad! (I've heard that a lot--I never get it), you must not be human. There's a part of the human brain, known as the reptilian brain, a very primitive and primordial part which consist of the brain stem (a part of the brain we share with most other social animals), that reacts to this kind of behavior automatically with aggression, disdain, and dislike. In other words, it is preprogrammed in our brains to react to what we commonly know as rude in this way. Seriously, something must be wrong with all the people who live/gone/go there and say the place is nice, especially the people. I can’t stand that! Again: people there—that is, most people there are NOT nice (there are cool people there, I won’t say that all the people there are bad/rude).
No one says hi. And if you say hi to them, they don’t say hi back. People flake… etc. etc. I’ll stop with the people for now.
But for everything else.
The weather is awful. Studies have been done which have demonstrated that damn near 95% of people are negatively affected, emotionally, of course, by bad weather (the study is an old on commissioned by the City of Seattle, but there have been other notable ones since).
Open-closed-mindedness! Only in Frisco can you have this kind of nonsensical shit! It doesn’t make any sense… you act like you’re open, but only to views and opinions that align to your own. Anything else you’re closed off to! For a city that claims to be so smart—actually, smarter than most of the nation—it is pretty stupid.
The people are rude… oh yeah! I already talked about that. Sorry; moving on.
Parking—‘nuff said.
Then there’s pubic transportation. Ok, rude people come back in the picture on this one, but it’s only the half. Muni is so bad, it’s run on a whim. Bus drivers have been cool with me, and I’ve even come to becoming cool with a few, but for the rest, they’re especially rude. How can you close the door on people—usually one person—trying to get on your bus? I thought the driver was, theoretically, getting paid to pick that guy up and drop him off at whatever stop?
I could go on, but I’ll end on this as my last: women! And/or dating.
Don’t get me wrong. I love women. I’ve had so many great experiences with them through friendship, and otherwise—however, these women were from elsewhere. Women in Frisco though, and dating altogether for that matter Sucks! I don’t know what else to say other than women in Frisco are emotionally unstable. Like they got issues or something (of course not all). I don’t know, I would have thought that with the huge number of gays that I would be a rare commodity. Yeah, but the dating scene there is very perverse. Which is why I have to go. Sorry. I could live with everything that’s wrong with this shitty city, but I need to mingle… like I said, I love women!
Oh yeah I forgot, on top of being rude, people in Frisco are: WEIRD!!!
Nuff said!!!

Anonymous said...

I grew up in central L.A. When i moved to San Francisco in the early '80s I would have said I like both cities equally. S.F. has changed greatly in the 28 years I've lived here. The city has become totally dominated by a smug, liberal professional/ managerial class, much of it based on the high-tech sector. The city has become a suburb for Silicon Valley where so many work. I say smug because the city's "liberalism" is fake. It is blind to the rampant class and race bias. This is why I found it really quite funny when someone says they like Silicon Valley better. I've lived there, too. It's incredibly traffic choked and just as race and class biased. And a lot uglier and with less to do, and far worse public transit. I've gotten to the point I'm finally planning on leaving.

As to Chris' points:

1. 2. 5. You're looking at things from the point of view of someone who can only imagine navigating the world thru a windshield. One of the things I've always most liked about S.F. is its pedestrian orientation. I get around by walking and taking the bus just fine. My car has a dead battery because I nver use it. Given global warming rushing down at us, the driver solipsism needs to go.

3. Homeless people exist in vast quantifies in L.A. too but they're piled up in Skid Row so people on the tony Westside never have to be reminded of poverty.

4. The hills are also one of the things I most like about S.F. It's especially good from the point of view of a form of exercise I can do very readily, and even fit in with my daily life without having to drive somewhere.

6. Totally agree with you here. I hate the weather. One of the things I like about living in the Mission District is it has the city's warmest weather.

7. The city's politics take some learning because they're a bit different than other places. The corporate elite here rule through the Democratic Party and smarmy liberals like Gavin Newsom (who I can't stand). On the other hand, there is an independent social-democratic brand of politics that is rooted in the city's working class communities. This is one of the city's better features, actually.

8. Muni has a gigantic ridership to deal with. On a per capita basis, there is more use of public transit here than any city in the USA other than New York. And they do it with mainly a bus system. But transit agencies everywhere tend to be dominated by bloated bureaucracies. The New York and LA MTAs have their severe problems...

10. I think I've already addressed smugness. I agree with you on this, but I think you also have to consider that the city is very class-divided and the attitudes among the professional/managerial class and the working class here are not the same.

I also dislike the fact that the city has come to be overwhelmingly a city of young adults. it doesn't have a balanced population. The city's been losing children for years and has the lowest proportion of children of any large city. But this has also been driven by the city's gentrification...it's increasing domination by young adults who mainly work in management and professions.

Anonymous said...

"It's all about those freaking gays ... what about us heterosexual women ? Nobody cares about us"

Yeah, you've only got the rest of the universe hun.

David said...

I grew up in the South Bay and have developed over the last 25 years what I thought was a unique hatred for San Francisco. I'm so happy to be wrong! It's a vindication to hear so many of the things I find wrong with the place aren't just in my imagination.

I also want to add:

-2am last call? Yeah. No wonder nightlife sucks in SF.

-Why did they build the city on a grid? Running the streets straight up the hillsides isn't convenient for anyone. One street grid wasn't enough though, and so you have Market Street that just makes me think WTF every time I see a map. Physically the city is just wrong, and I hate the Victorians.

Even the bizarre homophobic comments are interesting because they show how fake San Francisco's famous "tolerance" is. Nobody really likes each other; the tolerance is just them being too fake/passive/apathetic to express their nastiness.

I happily moved away and am busy loving NY, but for family reasons I can't avoid going back to SF every so often. Absence has not made my heart grow any fonder of the place.

P.S. To the anonymous heterosexual woman who hates gay men: dating is hard for everyone princess, get over it and post an ad on the Casual Encounters section of Craigslist. You sound like you really need to get laid.

Anonymous said...

"Heterosexual woman", you silly uneducated bitch, there is no way on hell anywhere on this earth is "95% heterosexual". There is no such thing.

Where did you get that from?

There are a lot of gays in Russia, Africa, Middle East, etc but of course they are closeted and will date you and have sex with other men on the side and hopefully pass you a disease and put your vile hating self out of misery.

Anyway, I don't really like San Francisco either but I just had to reply to your absurd posts.

--signed, another heterosexual woman.

Anonymous said...

RE: Anonymous said...

Here's an idea.

If you don't like it....leave. Go to L.A. Lord knows you'll fit right in. (I mean really...to criticize an entire city for being smug....BY BEING SMUG and overly-righteous? Are you serious?)

TA-DA!
Problem solved, you're where you want to be...we're where we want to be, and we don't have a slew of whiners mussing up the views.
4:25 PM


By saying San Franciscans don't want "whiners mussing up the views" kind of proves what everyone that doesn't like the place is saying about the way people tend to think there.

P.S. A lot of the people I met in SF WERE FROM L.A.!

Anonymous said...

I have lived in SF for far too long, and yes, like many of you, I am looking to bail the first chance I get.
Here's why:
1) Although I have met, and befriended some cool people, most others I've met seem shallow, narrow minded (politically), and yes: cliquish (can be rude too).
2) Decrepit, dirty, smelly, and disgusting. Where else can you find so much shit (literally feces) in the street? Sometimes you have to remind yourself that this place is actually on American soil, and is part of America.
3) Dating. Women do not take care of themselves, are not all that attractive, but, by and large, are stuck-up bitches who demand people, who in others places would be out of their league. Dating seen sucks horribly.
4) Too many weirdoes. Strange, bizarre people can make a dull place come alive, but too many tend to make a place... well, abnormal. Not a good thing.
5) Too congested. It does share with NYC the quality of being too densely populated (as though that were good); however, NYC does not have nearly as many cars. Reason being, the city planners there were forward thinking in that they built the subway system. SF's public transportation system is horribly broken.
6) Weather is usually overcast, gloomy, and on the cold side. Very depressing!
7) City politics are backwards. They do institute some good things for the city, and it ain't all bad, yet, the city is mostly run on a whim, by people who are fairly incompetent.
8) The DPT. Parking tickets are issued for the most asinine, and cockamamie things.
9) Beaches suck. Ocean Beach = concrete, decrepit (there's that word again), cold, crappy, full of park police ready to harass you at a moments notice, and filled with winos, and homeless.
10) ... aw fuck it, SF just sucks.

Anonymous said...

San Jose is better? Are you freaking serious?

I don't know what kind of ignorant person think San Jose is better than SF even with all its flaws.

Anonymous said...

to me it seems like your primary gripes all relate to *driving*. San francisco really is not a city to be in if you want to drive around everywhere... you would probably be much happier in the shit-hole i live in known as san jose. i cannot stand this place and love it every single time i am in sf.

trade places with me? lol xD

Anonymous said...

* WOW * !! I can't believe they're so many others that can't stand SF...All of the problems of a big city with few of the advantages of a place like NY.
You're basically not allowed to hold an opinion that varies from the EXTREMELY narrow-minded gay-liberal-radical-hysterical PC Nazis. If you want a cool, quirky, live-and-let-live non-stuck-up place, try PORTLAND...it rocks. OH, I have to add this: Chinese Landlord Syndrome...They either don't rent to non-Chinese, or if they do, they don't spend a dime on fixing the place...it's TRUE, baby!
One reason they try to rent to Chinese only is because they buy a building and then illegally chop it up into smaller units, and they know Chinese renters won't tell the city...sometimes they even sell these illegal units! But hey! SF is a SANCTUARY city! They don't prosecute criminals, They welcome them! That's why they flood here from all over the USA, even the world...yes, many "mafias" from Latin America and Asia have relocated here thanks to Gavin the wanker...I'm outta heeeeerrrrre!!!

Anonymous said...

I stumbled upon these comments, and could have sworn everyone was talking about Vancouver.

Ahhh Vancouver. A typical Marylin Monroe city. Pretty on the outside, shallow and soulless on the inside.

Anonymous said...

Hey ALLLL (:

I just dropped in because of some * ahem * programmned kneew jerking idiots here ^____^

I'm here to defened the attacked '' frustated heterosexual woman '' ... I feel her pain ):

First of all MOST men are STRAIGHT
SF has a LOT of gay men

95 % the are straight

Here is a GREAT article by Mark Simpson http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/08/25/sexual-outlaws-gay-for-pay-paratroopers-given-a-dressing-down-by-gay-novelist/

(hey I'm straight girl that has had a few encounters with women so why not straight men? Why the double standard huh? A lot of women fool around with other women only to become heterosexual like me... I seen this happen to a lot of European, Latin and Asian men too)

Oh my goodness right now homophobic!!!!!!!!!!I am a bigot!

Somebody slap me please! You are all a bunch of buffons

It's a FACT that SF as a LOT of gay men ... go on ... bring on the insults

Homophobic
Racist
Bigoted
Bitch
Discrimination!
homophobia!
Oh the horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh shut up

Btw I'm an American ex pat living in Japan

Good riddance SF!

* Gives you the finger *

Anonymous said...

Every man in San Francisco is gay
Maybe that's why women in SF are out of their minds

Every man in SF is gay
Maybe that's why I lost my mind too

Every man in SF is gay
That's why I moved out

Every man in SF is gay
Nope I don't hate gays

Every man in SF is gay
Just a fact ... no hatred here

Every man in SF is gay
That's why the women are all insane in SF

No straight man in sight
They are all desperate for men

Since they can't find them they lost their minds

They are all now bitchy , introverted , unclassy , smelly , feminist and insane because all of the men in SF is gay

I love gays but all of the men in SF is gay

I love L.A.
I have found and am getting married to the love of my life here after 11 years of being single in SF

Every man in SF is gay
No hatred
Just being factual

Anonymous said...

How can anyone bash SF? Is it out of frustration, and not able to achieve what you set out to do which prompts you to this website? In my experience, it never fails that people who claim to despise certain qualities in people, such as being arrogant, or superficial, are usually that way themselves. Ahhh, isn't self hate the ultimate love!! My question is, why invest so much time in a city, then move? I have read posts from people who invested 10+ fruitless years, only to move out of SF, bitter and broke. Its what you make of it people. You have the ability to turn a bad environment, as you claim, into a great situation, its power of mind. Remember, you cant escape yourself. I am sure with most of you, its just a matter of time before you write another negative post about the next place you live. You ever think the real problem could be with yourself? Why not move to Alaska, that's perfect for people trying to escape themselves.

Anonymous said...

I hate SF too, for totally superficial reasons like that my lying cheating eX went there to party it up and stuff but it just sucks, i think its place for people who dont really know what a city is supposed to offer its denizens. i mean you can be gay anywhere, why do you have to do it in the ONE place that it is expected...its like looking for a toilet to piss in when your surrounded by trees

skendall said...

All of you idiots who posted about San Francisco being cold... Did you not google San Francisco before you moved there???

This is my biggest annoyance with SoCal transplants in SF. They complain about the "cold". Guess what, orange people... We love it. We moved here BECAUSE it's not hot. If you like heat do us all a favor and never leave your tanorexic horror show smog sprawling suburb of L.A.. THANKS!

Anonymous said...

God! Get off the heterosexual / gay thing already! You don't make sense, and no one cares. The subject was "why I hate SF." Really, get off it already!!!

Anonymous said...

I remember when a buddy of mine got punched in the back and hit in the crotch while wearing his Army uniform at a gas station back in 2000. And yes, it was when he was passing through San Francisco. And guess where my 3 "Support the Troops" ribbons were stolen from my car... That's right! In San Francisco.

Antione said...

LOL! I started reading this about two hours ago and I just can't stop. I Moved to San Francisco nearly two years ago and after learning the truth about "Diversity" in the city I am heading back to one of the countries biggest "Red" states. I love the city, just not the people residing in it.
I much prefer people that tell you they don't like in your face along with the reason's why, rather than the disgusting, passive - aggressive, elitist "Ice Kings and Queens" of SF.
And as for the the "GLBTQ Community" in SF, they are among the worst of the bunch, probably more so then the heterosexual residents. I identify as gay and I was appalled at how "Exclusive" the community is.
People are so dim in the city they would stop and hold their pets and children when I was walking on the same side of the street as they were. LIBERAL! HA!

Anonymous said...

From the midwest, lived in LA for four years and then moved to SF. Spent a year there and wanted to effin jump off the GG Bridge, most depressing city ever. People are lifeless, weather is cold and gray with a constant wind in your face. According to the natives, if you don't like 'the city' you are totally misguided and just don't get it, haha, YOU don't get it! Leaving that awful city was the best choice I've ever made. Oh yeah, heavy coats and stocking hats on the 4th of July, ahhhh, no thank you!

Janae Hale said...

Hm. I've been living in SF for about 6 years now. I moved here from the central valley to go to college at State. I'll admit it, I like it here... a lot. At the same time I can see some validity in people's complaints.

I never knew that people thought SF residents were so cold and stuffy. I have a good group of friends here, and I meet new people regularly. The one thing that truly sucks about the people here is the dating scene. Everyone is single and wants to date, but they never do... weird.

Okay, some reasons I like this city:
1.) The variety of food
2.) Each neighborhood is different with it's own unique culture, population, history, etc.
3.) Cool hole in the wall coffee shops and bookstores (like The Green Apple)
4.) The parks are beautiful, lush, and abundant
5.) MUNI is cheap and efficient in most places. Although, I didn't hear anyone mention the game that I like to call 'The scavenger hunt for that urine smell' Ew, ew, ew...
6.) There's lots of free stuff to do practically everyday if you look for it. Such as, gallery openings (free booze and cheese), dance lessons, poetry nights, and free days at the museums and other venues
7.) Warmer weather is just around the corner (but, I do enjoy cool, foggy days)
8.) Great thrift store shopping, the ones that the locals go to, not the tourists
9.) There's lots of hospitals... I'm accident prone...
10.) It's relatively easy to eat healthy and stay in shape being here

I may or may not be alone in my opinions, but I do enjoy living here. If I find another city that has all of those qualities and more, then I'll consider moving.

Anonymous said...

San Francisco is an overrated second rate city that can not be placed anywhere near the category containing New York City and Los Angeles, among others. Sure, it's nice looking. Sure, the sun shines nearly 24/7 - and so does the wind blows. Sure, those cable cars are sometimes not irritating at all to pedestrians and drivers alike, who are not tourists. Those so called 'world class universities'? Please, I believe there are a dozen in the east coast. There are nice people, but it's becoming more and more overrun by smug yoga crazed - yet non fit - yuppies who actually believe that they've scored the best place to live because it resembles the boring pages of Dwell magazine. I have been here over six years and have been counting the days until I can leave since the middle of year two. Fortunately for both me and this overhyped, no substance city, it will happen very very soon.

Anonymous said...

i live in san fran and hate it!!!! the people are rude as hell. on top of it they are stupid too. they protest everything if they don't get their way. most are so ugly they look retarded. too many fucking asains and hispanics here... what san francisco needs is a massive earthquake to kill all these damn freeks off..

SanfransFINEST said...

The person who said its racist. LOl u never been to hunters point, sunnydale, fillmore, lakeview, Chinatown, or the mission obviously

Anonymous said...

I am living in Berlin and I also hate San Francisco. I lived there for almost a year and what really annoyed me was that there seem to be almost no good-looking tall people there. Some people there seem to think that Doc Martens are still the hype. When you go to a party you can immediately spot the Europeans in the crowd as they have some sense of style. The weather sucks. It basically rains buckets on you all winter and then people tell you that this is an exceptionally wet year. I hear this whenever I go there for work.

Ridiculous is also that you need to wear a winter coat in the summer. No warm summer nights. Night-life is terrible, getting a cab is a gamble, no parking, horrible rents for crappy places, dirty drugstores, bad fashion shopping, men and women do not seem to relate in a normal way there, lots of homeless people (Can this place not take care of its people?!)

I am so glad I am out of there!

sean said...

I can't stand it here. I don't vibe with anybody here. I been here for over 365 days and have literally had about 10 good days since I've been here. It's the worst year of my life. I came here expecting open minded, enjoyable people but was only met with smug arrogance. The women seem to want to get to know new people but they are scared which means you have to get to know them online (which I hate) or through other people. People are extremely closed into there little bubble. I'm going to school here and I'm sure I'd get along with the school mates if I wasn't 10 years older then them. I finally found someone I enjoyed hanging out with and he was from Boston, all his friends that were from sf were horrible. Not the way they treated me but how they acted to others. Don't get me wrong I'm from LA and am use to shallow people and assholes but these people brought to a whole new level. They made fun of a taxi cab driver for being buddhist. One of the guys constantly gossiped about people and all of it was negative. I like the mixed crowds here people seem to be a little more friendly when there is some variation at the club for some reason. I feel like I'm going crazy I'm socially deprived and tired of how dense this place is with removed antisocial people. I really can't take this.

Anonymous said...

and I do also hate Eric marlin

Anonymous said...

I've lived here my whole life and I can't imagine living here another 5 years. As a training pilot and a very outdoorsy person, I can't stand the weather. The people here are very transient and exclusionary. If your not exactly like them in race, background, etc...they'll block you from getting in their clique. It's the mecca of liberalism in America, which goes to show how wrong you get when you go that far to the left. I wish I wasn't born or raised here...I was much happier as a child when I went on vacations elsewhere in this great great country of ours. I don't mind hating on this crap hole...keep it going...haha

Anonymous said...

SF has horrible weather ? Compared to where exactly ? You could be sweating your ass off in Houston or freezing it off in Boston. Google San Francisco, click on Wikipedia, scroll down to climate. You'll see it has more sunshine hours than any city outside the southwest or socal.